TPMS Again

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embdenb

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Location
Weeki Wachee
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2005 FX35
2005 FX 35
Well the saga continues. I purchased wheels and rims from Tire rack along with new TPMS valves a ATEQ TPMS reset tool. All went well until I tried to download the new TPM ID's into the ECU. It will not take them.
The dashboard does not generate an error, however the TPMS screen shows a couple of asterisks instead of tire pressure readings.
I have emailed ATEQ support. Will see what happens.
 
Update
Called the reset tool manufacture ATEQ. They said that the sensor ID's that I got from Tire Rack were in the wrong format. They should be in hexadecimal format. I converted to this format via a website and input the new numbers. Still did not work. Called ATEQ they said that I should put two zeros infront of the hexadecimal format characters. Tried that, still will not work. What's interesting is that for each process the tools requires that I download the TPMS ID's currently in the cars ECU. These ID are exactly what I put in, with the exception of the original set before I converted them. This original set were in decimal format and when I downloaded them into the ATEQ tool the FX had changed them by adding two zeros and deleting the last two characters.
Seems that the tool is working properly, and either the format/ID are incorrect or there is something wrong with the new sensors.
Stay tuned
 
Does your reset tool has the OBDII connector to the car? You need to activate the car into learn mode to register those IDs into the ECU. According to what you said, it seems like your ATEQ tool is doing the trick but just the format.

Keep us updated that will be a nice one to have. If it works, you should do a write up in the DIY section. :.smile:
 
White_Hair said:
Does your reset tool has the OBDII connector to the car? You need to activate the car into learn mode to register those IDs into the ECU. According to what you said, it seems like your ATEQ tool is doing the trick but just the format.
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The tool does have a OBD11 connector. That how the ID's are uploaded to the ECU.
ATEQ says that their tool does put the ECU into the learn mode. I am inclined to agree that the problem is not the tool. If I have the time and energy :laugh: I would put the old set of tires back on and re-set the IDs to the original numbers just to see if the tool works.
 
embdenb said:
the TPMS screen shows a couple of asterisks instead of tire pressure readings.
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This may fall under the category of "Is your computer plugged in, sir?" but are you checking the tire pressures after driving the car for a little while or while it has been parked for a bit?

I find that my TPMS won't give me a reading (only showing asterisks) until I get moving for a while.

:tup:
 
aiya said:
This may fall under the category of "Is your computer plugged in, sir?" but are you checking the tire pressures after driving the car for a little while or while it has been parked for a bit?

I find that my TPMS won't give me a reading (only showing asterisks) until I get moving for a while.

:tup:
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Drove to Dunkin Donuts approx 20 miles round trip. Coffee was excellent, :rofl:however no reading on the TPMS

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Update 2
ATEQ is now convinced that their Quickset Tool is working properly. They say the blame lies with Tire Rack and believe that the TPMS valves were not “Activated” when they were installed in the rims. They also admitted that they were not sure whether these particular TPMS valve actually needed activation. Their logic is that in every case the tool correctly re-programmed the ECU with the codes that it was given.
I called Tire Rack and they said that normally I would be referred to the manufacture of the Quickset (ATEQ) for guidance, but since I had already done that, they suggested I take the tires to an Infinity dealer to have the ID’s registered and they would reimburse me.
I asked if that meant I should go to the dealer and have them install the new codes into the ECU and they would reimburse me?
They said yes. Will let you know what happens

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Update 3
Called the Infinity dealer and made an appointment to have the TPMS sensors registered with my vehicle. I asked the Service Manager if he wanted the sensor ID numbers that Tire Rack sent me. He said no, that his equipment works as follows:
The computer is attached to the vehicle. A device is positioned at a specific wheel and activated. It reads the sensor ID and registers it with the car. The tech then goes to the next wheel etc.
If the device does not read the sensor there is nothing he can do. Pay the bill and drive safe. He also told me that his equipment only reads Infinity sensors. It will not read any other brand, period.
I call Tire Rack and told them that the dealer cannot read a non-Infinity sensor. They said that the sensors were Infinity sourced sensors and identical to sensors that I would buy at the dealer, only a lot cheaper from Tire Rack.
The dealer is 120 miles round trip from my house; however there is no way to know until I get there.
Stay tuned
 
*Infiniti*

Lol

I hope you get this issue solved bro. I'm having problem with one of my TPM and was thinking about replacing it.. It's good to know if I can go with a aftermarket one or if i wil have to get a OEM one.
 
The dealer stating that they can only program Infiniti sensors is misleading. Different car companies use different kinds of sensors so you can't just buy any TPMS. There are compatible aftermarket ones available (tirerack sells these) and the Consult tools see them just fine. I am using a set from TR on my winter rims without problems.
 
Yea, the dealer probably just said that so they can get you to buy new nissan/infiniti sensors from them when they just happen to say that your sensors are not being read by the consult tool.
 
Dr.2K said:
Yea, the dealer probably just said that so they can get you to buy new nissan/infiniti sensors from them when they just happen to say that your sensors are not being read by the consult tool.
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Tire Rack did say that their sensors are sourced from the same place as the dealer so there should be no problem registering them to the car.

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Rubare said:
I hope you get this issue solved bro. I'm having problem with one of my TPM and was thinking about replacing it.. It's good to know if I can go with a aftermarket one or if i wil have to get a OEM one.
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Update 4
Went to the Infiniti (Spelled it right this time guys:biggrin:) dealer in Tampa yesterday. He registered the ID sensors from Tire Rack to the vehicle ECU. Said it took little longer to do but registered OK (Whatever that means)
Charge $120.00 US.
I am a disappointed in that I was not able to determine whether the ATEQ Quickset tool was capably of doing the complete job or not.
The problem for me was two fold.
1)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Had to convert decimal IDs to hexadecimal.
2)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]The Tire Rack sensors might not have been activated.
I really believe this tool has the capability of working as advertized. For those with winter and summer tires who go the dealer each season to re-register ID sensors this tool should work.
Essentially, you will not have the issues that I had. Your IDs are already in a format the tool recognizes, and your sensors are activated.
In my case my best guess is that the sensors were never “Activated” however without knowing whether the decimal to hexadecimal along with adding two zeros to the beginning of the ID conversion was correct, I will never know which issue prevented the Tire Rack sensors from communication with my vehicle’s ECU

I will be sending Tire rack and ATEQ my suggestions on what they should do to improve this process. Hopefully they can get all these issues resolved so that these functions can be done with their quickset tool without any problems.
Will post a copy of those comments here after I email them.
 
You're right that there are other tools available to do the job. The tire place I use to go to for mounting my snows has a laptop and handheld that reset my TPMS for me. It would be nice if there was something affordable that we could have to do the job at home.
 
Final update
As promised below are the feedback comments I sent back to both Tire Rack and the manufacture of the tool ATEQ.
I would like to stress that both companies responded rapidly to my concerns and actually called me back if I left a message.
Tire rack in particular offered to reimburse me the cost of having the sensors registered at the dealer and allowed me to return the ATEQ Quick set tool. I will continue to purchase from and recommend Tire Rack based on this experience.

Tire Rack

1)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Have someone on staff that is knowledgeable about the ATEQ TPMS reset tool issues. If you sell the product you should not refer customers back to the manufacture.
2)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]You should have a process for verifying each sensor before it’s shipped. This means that the customer is assured that the sensors are activated and functioning properly when they receive the product
3)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]There should be documentation of this sensor verification/activation. Example, an additional check box on the sheet with the TPMS sensor ID’s.



ATEQ

1)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]I understand that there is no set TPMS standard, rather a vast number of variables with vehicle manufactures and sensor formats, however the end user is just not equipped to have that knowledge, the tool has to do that.
2)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]You cannot expect the end user to have to convert sensor ID from decimal to hexadecimal. In addition the tool required a further modification of the format, essentially inserting two zeros to the beginning of the ID number. When you attach the tool to the computer and launch the program it requires you to select a specific vehicle. Once the new IDs are entered, the program MUST make any necessary format conversion.
3)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]The tool should be able to let the user know if the sensors are activated. At the very least, based on the sensor manufacture and IDs, that they might need activation. I understand it’s a passive device, but the new IDs should reference a database that would give the end user more information. Examples, ID manufacturer, need activation etc.
4)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]The current QuickSet tool is able to pull existing IDs from the vehicle and put them back in. Where it has its limitations is when it has to upload new IDs that require format changes, manipulation and or sensor activation. The problem is that this is the very purpose that most people will purchase the tool for.

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One last thought on the TPMS sensors from Tire rack.
They said that a number of Infiniti owners were having problems registering the TPMS ID's. with the QuickSet tool.
Not "a lot of owners" but a number of "Infiniti owners"
Means that possibly Infiniti handles the code format somewhat differently and the tool manufacturer had not yet adjusted their programming for it?

Just a thought
 
Huh . Sorry you ended up a ''guinea pig'' with this , would it not be easier for the car's computer to recognize 2 sets of sensor codes for summer / winter tire sets ? Or to rephrase this, can the car's computer recognize 2 sets of codes ? I am in the process of purchasing a separate ''summer'' set of rims/tires/sensors . Does this mean I should also purchase this tool ? What are the steps that I should take , and second, should you use oem sensors , or are aftermarket ones cheaper and work the same without any issues ? I don't like to involve a dealer everytime I change wheels every March ! All info would help anyone just by what you went through. What are the costs of sensors and the tool , and where to get them ? Tirerack again, or ?
 
unkle said:
Huh . Sorry you ended up a ''guinea pig'' with this , would it not be easier for the car's computer to recognize 2 sets of sensor codes for summer / winter tire sets ? Or to rephrase this, can the car's computer recognize 2 sets of codes ? I am in the process of purchasing a separate ''summer'' set of rims/tires/sensors . Does this mean I should also purchase this tool ? What are the steps that I should take , and second, should you use oem sensors , or are aftermarket ones cheaper and work the same without any issues ? I don't like to involve a dealer everytime I change wheels every March ! All info would help anyone just by what you went through. What are the costs of sensors and the tool , and where to get them ? Tirerack again, or ?
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The car only recognize one set of sensors. Period. Also TPMS sensors from Tire rack are significantly cheaper that the dealer.
Based on my experience, you must have the new sensors programmed at the dealer. Once programmed into the vehicle's computer the ATEQ Quickset tool should work. The tool works as follows.
It reads the stored TPMS codes in the vehicle's computer. It stores that set in the tools memory. The tool can store two sets of sensor ID's in its memory.
Problem is that it needs to store the ID in the format that Infiniti uses. In order to do that the dealer has to program the ID's purchased from Tire Rack or any other non-dealer source into the vehicle's computer. When the dealer does that the ID's are changed to a format that Infiniti recognizes.
Here is what you would have to do.
Purchase the tool and tires with TPMS sensors. Before putting on the new tires and TPMS sensors, use the ATEQ tool to record the existing sensor ID's.
Put on the new tires with the new sensors. Have the dealer register them to the vehicle.
Now use the tool to read those new codes via the OBD11 port.
Store one set at summer, the other as winter. (write the ID numbers down somewhere in case your computer dies)

The tool did not have a problem up-loading sensor ID's to the vehicle's computer. With the two sets of valid sensor ID now stored on the tool you should not have a problem.
 
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