Squires turbo systems

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Hi guys!

So yesterday me and my girl were having dinner at my friend house. While the girl were talking about girl stuff, my friend and I decided to talk about INTERESTING things. What more interesting than a TT FX35 by the squires turbo system. He told me he being looking into this and he said he might give it a try.. I mentioned him that someone was trying to do something similar to this on IS. He said it's the best way to go since it doesn't required tuning.. NO tuning!!?!!? I'm all over this.

So as a good IS member I would like to share this with you guys and hear your opinions please.. Thanks!

This is the website http://Ststurbo.com/
 
Come on Ege!! I'll bet we can come out with some sort of cover for it.. Lol..

Yes Alan I'll do my homework and research more into this.. Until now everything looks great. My concerns are what Ege mentioned anoint the salt and also the install..
 
How does it not require tuning? It's not going to be any different than any other turbo system since the principles are the same.

The only, and I mean only advantage of the STS is that it's easier to install since you don't have to dig too deep into the engine bay. But there are so many disadvantages. There's literally like 3x the piping of a standard turbo kit. How safe is it to hang the air filter right near the bottom of the car? The oil return is a pump since it can't gravity drain; what happens if the pump fails or the long oil line crimps or leaks?

The rear mount stuff has it's place; ie, tight engine bays where a standard turbo setup won't fit like the Lexus IS-F. I just don't understand why you'd use it if you have other options available.



Hi guys!

So yesterday me and my girl were having dinner at my friend house. While the girl were talking about girl stuff, my friend and I decided to talk about INTERESTING things. What more interesting than a TT FX35 by the squires turbo system. He told me he being looking into this and he said he might give it a try.. I mentioned him that someone was trying to do something similar to this on IS. He said it's the best way to go since it doesn't required tuning.. NO tuning!!?!!? I'm all over this.

So as a good IS member I would like to share this with you guys and hear your opinions please.. Thanks!

This is the website http://Ststurbo.com/
 
you always need a tune.
plus the sts is cheaper and less practical. why would you stick turbos down there when you have plenty of engine bay room for them in front..





and please fix your color in your "ride" info: it's "DIAMOND GRAPHITE" not
"GRAPHITE GRAY" unless you have it custom painted...lol
 
you always need a tune.
plus the sts is cheaper and less practical. why would you stick turbos down there when you have plenty of engine bay room for them in front..





and please fix your color in your "ride" info: it's "DIAMOND GRAPHITE" not
"GRAPHITE GRAY" unless you have it custom painted...lol

well I already got the point that I will be needing a tune.. Why would I stick to going this route... Well let me see.. Umm I want to try out.. Not that I'm a pro at this.. But it sort of make sense to me...

About the color of my FX.. Well if you can't figure it out you have problems... :rofl:
 
Bah screw them. They had me waiting forever for the kit and I missed an opportunity to install it, then when I said forget it, you never told me I'd be waiting months for the kit, they wanted to charge me something like a $1200 restocking fee for something they never shipped to me. I was out $5500 for at least a month with never receiving a single thing and there they were saying it's gonna be a $1200 restocking fee.

As everyone else has already pointed out, you will be required to have a tune, no question about it.
 
How does it not require tuning? It's not going to be any different than any other turbo system since the principles are the same.

The only, and I mean only advantage of the STS is that it's easier to install since you don't have to dig too deep into the engine bay. But there are so many disadvantages. There's literally like 3x the piping of a standard turbo kit. How safe is it to hang the air filter right near the bottom of the car? The oil return is a pump since it can't gravity drain; what happens if the pump fails or the long oil line crimps or leaks?

The rear mount stuff has it's place; ie, tight engine bays where a standard turbo setup won't fit like the Lexus IS-F. I just don't understand why you'd use it if you have other options available.

Well yeah I understand there is alot of piping involved but how is that a problem?
The filter I agree not the best spot for it. But I'll be it could be secure tightly for sure. but hey most people would think that putting the turbos in the rear would not be practical but ither but it does the job pretty well + easy install as you mentioned. About the oil pump failing. Really? I meant same as being concern about a fuel pump failing, just make sure you get a good one. Line getting crimps or leaks.. I mean seriously the price for this system is cheap.. If those are your main concerns just invest some money in it.

This kit is like $1700 single turbo find another (full) kit for that price.

If I go this route I will go TT.. Still cheaper than any other TT.. So the rest of the money I could invest it on fixing those lil problems.

Plus I alway hear that cooler engine with cooler air perform better.. Getting those 2 turbos out of the cramped engine bay will help alot with that problem..

Thanks for your opinion bro.. Kindly appreciated! :tup:

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Bah screw them. They had me waiting forever for the kit and I missed an opportunity to install it, then when I said forget it, you never told me I'd be waiting months for the kit, they wanted to charge me something like a $1200 restocking fee for something they never shipped to me. I was out $5500 for at least a month with never receiving a single thing and there they were saying it's gonna be a $1200 restocking fee.

As everyone else has already pointed out, you will be required to have a tune, no question about it.


I didn't know this was the company that screwed you bro. Hey whenever you get a chance bro pm me with more info about it and why you dicided to go this way when you had your FX.. Thanks man!
 
I think Shadow is dead on about the issues you might experience with this setup. Here are my thoughts:

1) The turbo location and the length of the piping will cause the exhaust gases coming into the turbo to cool down, thus slowing the speed of the gases. That'll cause you power compared to a regular single turbo. Also, bear in mind that the intake tubing goes from the rear of the car to the front. All in all, you have more stuff to rust and no you can't cover it (esp the turbo) or you might cause the oil lines over there to melt with the turbo's contained (you're covering it) heat.
2) There's debris on the road, however you drive or wherever you drive. One skipped stone and it can damage something easily. If that's the turbo, it'll be expensive to fix. If that's the oil line, it'll be even more expensive to fix
3) The oil is pumped all the way from engine to turbo and then back to engine. This is more load on the pump and more risky to operate. Again, when the oil is gone, you're fcked up.
4) Don't know where the air filter is located in this setup but if it's at the rear, you have dirt & water coming up from all directions at it. There's only an amount the filter can, err, filter and if dirt gets into the turbo, it'll cost you dearly as well..
5) You need heatshields above the turbo. If not, you can burn/melt your floor down.

All that said, the best location for a turbo is within the engine bay, not close to the rear. This setup might be feasible in a hot, not-really-rains-much place. If you use this setup on your FX in NY, you're bound to have troubles.. Probably a LOT of troubles. Not worth it.
 
How are exhaust turbines driven? The further away the turbo is from the exhaust ports, the lower the velocity and the lower the temperature. Both of which will result in turbo lag. Add to that the extra charge piping which will result in loss of boost pressure, and the lag will be higher than a comparable "regular" turbo.

If the fuel pump fails, your car dies and you get it towed. If your oil pump fails, oil will back up into the turbo leading to turbo failure. If the oil line leaks, you lose oil pressure and potentially the motor.

$1700 is not cheap for what they're giving you. Right now, anyone can put together the "kit" for less. It's a joke, all they're giving you is random universal mandrel bent piping, a turbo, wastegate, and air filter. Add the IC piping and IC itself, add injectors and engine management, add all the misc. stuff that comes up, and you're at $4.5K. Add another turbo and piping and such and you're at $6k. How is that a deal? I doubt you could even fit 2 turbos and related piping under there.

Edit: Just realized that the $1700 doesn't even include piping, that's another $350-$350 or BOV. So for $1700 they're just giving you a turbo, wastgate, flange (wow, $10), and oil pump/lines. That's an even worse deal. I'm not trying to be too negative, but price that stuff out yourself. It will be cheaper than what they're offering.

Years back, I did some custom turbo setups. This was when Squires was coming out. I looked into the STS stuff because it would have been easier than what I was doing, but after some research I figured that the negatives outweighed the positive.

Putting the turbos that far back is not really a positive, yes they're cooler. But the cooler turbo is more than offset by the loss of exhaust energy. Plus what happens if you run over a big puddle. The filter is now at the lowest point of the car. Putting the turbos in the engine bay isn't a problem if you properly shield everything.

I'm not trying to discourage you, but why not get a standard turbo kit? You'll save money, time, and headaches.

Well yeah I understand there is alot of piping involved but how is that a problem?
The filter I agree not the best spot for it. But I'll be it could be secure tightly for sure. but hey most people would think that putting the turbos in the rear would not be practical but ither but it does the job pretty well + easy install as you mentioned. About the oil pump failing. Really? I meant same as being concern about a fuel pump failing, just make sure you get a good one. Line getting crimps or leaks.. I mean seriously the price for this system is cheap.. If those are your main concerns just invest some money in it.

This kit is like $1700 single turbo find another (full) kit for that price.

If I go this route I will go TT.. Still cheaper than any other TT.. So the rest of the money I could invest it on fixing those lil problems.

Plus I alway hear that cooler engine with cooler air perform better.. Getting those 2 turbos out of the cramped engine bay will help alot with that problem..

Thanks for your opinion bro.. Kindly appreciated! :tup:

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I didn't know this was the company that screwed you bro. Hey whenever you get a chance bro pm me with more info about it and why you dicided to go this way when you had your FX.. Thanks man!
 
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well I already got the point that I will be needing a tune.. Why would I stick to going this route... Well let me see.. Umm I want to try out.. Not that I'm a pro at this.. But it sort of make sense to me...
About the color of my FX.. Well if you can't figure it out you have problems... :rofl:

Well we all know you would need a tune. It's obvious. And even if you want to "try out" a particular route still doesn't mean you should. I realize that the setup "makes sense" to you but if you aren't a pro, then would you trust your own opinion? So many kits that use turbos mounted in the more conventional locations are usually more practical. Just because this one is cheaper and makes more sense to you doesn't mean you should do it.
Maybe instead of "trying out" this particular setup you should ask a pro and see what they say. example: read the above posts because they know what they are talking about.

and about the color.....like I said, unless it's painted a custom "Graphite Gray" then you do not have the correct color listed, unless you have some special edition for that model year.... maybe you should fix it so it is correct.
 
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and about the color.....like I said, unless it's painted a custom "Graphite Gray" then you do not have the correct color listed, unless you have some special edition for that model year.... maybe you should fix it so it is correct.

Why does this really bug you JB??

Then PLEASE fix your signature - "iinfinitykappas" --- It's Infinity Kappa's. :laugh:

sorry JB, had to poke at you....
 
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Fix your "Z Tube" it should be "Z-Tube"

And it would be "Infinity Kappas" not "Kappa's"
JB, fix your attitude:
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Menstrual cycle aside, there's not a whole lot more to my story than the previous post that included the link to the discussion. I eventually got my money back (all of it) but it was extremely hard to do and literally took weeks. I have found over the years that the only way to deal with horrible customer service is to file claims. Credit card and PayPal claims do wonders. More often than not, whoever you're dealing with will change tunes and just do a full refund if your case is actually arguable instead of dealing with PayPal and/or credit card companies.

As for the kit itself... it is definitely different, but no good in my opinion. The downsides to this kit (as mentioned several times already) far outweigh the benefits (slight price difference and ease of install).

This crap really is laggy, no matter how hard STS tries to market it otherwise. The sound sucks (it's very raspy).

You MUST run test pipes, no resonators whatsoever in your exhaust, or you risk any small piece of cat or resonator material from a muffler or resonator flying through the turbo that's spinning at 50-100,000 rpm! Even a chunk of metal the size of pencil lead could damage the turbo at those speeds.

The elements attacking the turbo and oil lines alone should scare you. Salt will find its way in places you really don't want it. I was considering hollowing out my stock muffler and using that as a shield and make it look extremely stealthy, so that could provide some help.
 

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