Double detail

jumbosrule

Fully FX Invested
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Location
Redondo Beach, CA
Car
2003 FX35T
Name
Brad
So I have never really been into detailing my own car. I pay attention when I wash it and use a quick detailer spray between washes. Other than that it gets waxed two times a year with Meguire's Deep Crystal Canuba wax. Until now. Once again, IS is to blame for my interest in the next level in exterior car care. About a year ago I switched over to Turtle ICE products.

After washing and drying, my first product was just the quick detailer. I'd use it for touch-ups in between washes. More recently I bought the Turtle ICE liquid wax to use in-between my bi-annual wax. Most recently I bought the Turtle ICE liquid clay cleaner along with clay bar and lubricating fluid kit because I had never cleaned the paint with anything other than a soapy mitt and microfiber towels.

Last Saturday morning I spent five hours doing my own detail. I'm pretty sure this is the longest amount of time I have ever spent on cleaning my car. I started off with a rinse and then the Turtle ICE carwash and washing mitt. Rinsed off all the soap and used a leaf blower to dry off the car.

Then was the Turtle ICE liquid clay solution. Used on a rag and worked over the paint to remove anything the wash missed. You can tell by the feel that this stuff has a little grit to it. Nothing harsh, but it dries to a haze on the car. Rinsing it off was relatively easy, but you need to use a microfiber to lightly wipe down the surface to get everything off. The force of the water by itself is not enough. Once again, I used a leaf blower to chase off beaded water.

I've never used a clay bar before, but I have done my research. I also made sure to follow the directions on the kit! Even when my car has been washed and waxed, you can still see paint swirls and watermarks in direct sunlight. In the past I spent some time trying to get these spots out of one area and had very little success. Using the clay bar and the lubricant, the clay glides across the paint very easily. I was surprised to do about 12 square inches and see how dirty the bar was on the bottom! I ended up kneading the clay often and I would pass over the same area several time until the bar stopped getting dirty. I'd use a microfiber to dry off the section I just clayed, then move on to another section. After finishing up and looking at the paint under direct sunlight, the watermarks were visibly less - maybe 75% smaller and lighter than they used to be. I can still see faint paint swirls up close, but standing back just a few feet it looks great.

Finally I layed down a thick coat of the Canuba wax and let it dry. It was tough work buffing it off. It really stuck to the car in a few places, or maybe I let it dry too long. After all the wax was wiped down the watermarks and swirls became even less visibile. I was pretty proud of my work since it was my first time and I could totally see the benefit off all that work.

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Fast forward to yesterday. I met a guy that used to work for a speed shop and he also details cars for shows. He has had three magazine covers and a bunch of show winner credits. He offered to do an agressive polish, seal and wax, as close to a paint correction as he could get with the products he uses. He used tape on all the trim so that the products wouldn't stain it. He was working on ONLY the paint. No trim, no wheels, no windows, no clear bra. All of his time was concentrated on the 2004 laser red paint with 102,000 miles of Texas road punishment imedded in the surface.

Since my intial work, it has rained and the car needed to be washed again. The detailer used a soap to wash and strip off all the wax, then went over every inch of the car with a wet-sander, looking for damage. Any place I had touched up in the past, any rock chip or scratch, he wet sanded till it felt completely smooth to the touch. I would NEVER have had the balls to do this to my car. After taking the sandpaper to the clearcoat, it was completely hazy, obiously scratched up and had zero shine. I trusted the guy, but it was scary to see this. He cleaned up the whole surrounding area with a quick detailer spray. These steps took him about 2 hours.

He then used a variable speed buffer and a polishing compoud to go over the entire car, to shine up the clearcoat and to buff the sanded areas. They lightened a bit, but were still visible after the polishing compound. Some areas were polished more than once. He wiped off left-over compound with the quick detailer. The whole car took another 3 hours for this step.

Next up was a lighter cutting pad and polish with sealant. Again he went over the whole car with the buffer. Now the wet sanded areas had mostly dissapeared. There are two or maybe three areas were there is some sanding work still visible, but the damage in those areas was bad and it now looks a lot better than it did before. He did some areas twice or three times to get the shine. About another 90 minutes to buff the whole car again. He told me if I go get touch up paint, he can make those areas look like new again.

Finally was the wax. This was the fastest step since the car was completely clean and smooth. The wax glides on and wiped off very easily. The tape on the trim made the wax go even more quickly, since there was no worrying about getting it on the trim. The wax took about 45 minutes.

While he was finishing up the wax, I wiped down the windows, wheels and the clear bra. By the time everything was finished it was dark, so no chance to take pictures. I plan to dust the car, maybe hit it with some quick detailer if needed, then snap some shots this weekend for posting to this thread.

He recommended I wax every time that I wash, for protection. I'm looking into three different types of wax - each one a bit more time consuming than the one before it. The most time intensive will still be twice a year, but I will now wax with the mid-level products monthly and the fast, easy liquid waxes after each wash. My wash-wax will be the Turtle ICE liquid wax. My monthly wax will be Mequire's NXT, and my bi-annual wax will be the Mequire's Deep Crystal system.
 
thanks for sharing jumbo. getting into detailing is so addictive but at the same time so complicated. I want to try out a orbital but at the same time do not want to experiment no the fx lol.
 
Detailing is a never ending saga, but there is nothing more gratifying than countless hours of hard work and ending up with that perfect shine! Looks like you put in the time and congrats on the shiny paint!!!
 
Yeah that's my problem too. The only way to get good is to practice, but I don't want to practice on my FX!!! Maybe I can use my wife's Tahoe...

One good thing about getting into it is that I know my paint will last a lot longer now that I'm taking better care of it. And maybe nobody else notices how nice and shiny it looks, but I do!

One bad thing about getting into it is now nobody else is good enough to work on my car. I can't take it to an auto-wash place anymore now can I?!? If the weather is nice, I end up burning a half Saturday every week!
 
yeah, i know where you are coming from. i used to wash and wax every two weeks. it was also MY time.. away from everything else. countless hours on end...
 
My FX has been clean since I first bought it. It's just that I used dish soap to wash it, and wax twice a year. I never saw any problems as a result of my method. There was a couple of years when I used those coin operated wash stations with the foaming brush and the water jet with eight different settings and cleaners. Then I would dry by hand. I remember using terrycloth until microfiber first came out. But I've been keeping my rides clean inside and out longer than you have had pubes, bro!

Just not... detailed. Talk of polymers, cure time, compouds & sealants. I totally get it - it's just a big change from the only thing I have really done. Guess those days are gone. It's really a question of time - I could spend 3 hours to get it looking 90% perfect, or 10 hours getting it 97% perfect. My value point used to be lower, but armed with too much info, now it's higher.

I really wish it were easier to make product comparisons. Have two identical year/color/mileage FXs detailed with totally different product lines to see a side by side. It's tough to know how one product looks months after the last detail job months ago. Plus when you buy something, you generally use the whole bottle, which means not just one wash, but maybe a few months or a year. They should put out single use kits with enough of each product for one complete detail. I'd go buy one of every brand and then stick with the one I liked the most.
 
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There nothing really wrong with that since he wax's it after he uses that method. If he wasnt waxing right after then there would be room for concern lol
 
Yes - palmolive with moisturizers for the skin. Leaves the hands silky smooth.

Totally depends on how dirty the car is.

I sometimes just rinsed the car and then wiped it down with a washing mitt and a chamois to dry.

Also use the no-touch carwashes and dry by hand. I know none of these are preferred methods, but like I said - my car has always looked clean to me. I've never hung out in, "car guy" circles so this forum is literally my first exposure to the specialized products out there. I've just never cared enough to educate myself till recently. Better late than never!

I have checked out chemical guys, Zaino and a ton of other products that "professional detailers" across the country use. It's just hard to really know how much better one product is over another when you consider the price, time and effort needed to apply properly and end result.
 
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Check out griots garage website every one of their products i have used has been the best whether it was wax, car wash, or interior scents. Not only are the products great but they are very well priced compared to some of the other top of the line detailing products.

http://www.griotsgarage.com/
 
There nothing really wrong with that since he wax's it after he uses that method. If he wasnt waxing right after then there would be room for concern lol
I was under the impression that U used dish soap regularly to wash the car, not waxing right after. I didnt imagine you only washed your car 2X a year, cuz that's how many times U wax. Based on that, I think I understood correctly. & yes, dish soap good to strip right before you clay.
 
I've been detailing cars forever, but professionally for the last 13 years as part of my bodyshop business, & my understanding of it is, a silicone/synthetic "wax" is really not a wax at all, but a sealant. it lasts a whole lot longer than a true "wax" which is really only a carnuba based product that would qualify as truely being clasified as a "wax". synthetics molecularly bond to your paint where canubas just sit on top, like a clear coat, but no actual bonding

carnuba waxes give you that deep wet look & the ultimate shine, but only lasts weeks instead of months like a synthetic in normal vehicle use...

if your car is a showcar that spends most of it's time in a garage & is driven infrequently but pampered frequently then carnuba is what you want, but if your going to do this infrequently while using the vehicle frequently then a synthetic sealer "wax" is what you'd really be better off with...

for a daily driver the ultimate is to do a few coats of sealer wax to have the underlying long lasting protection, & then go over this more frequently with a canuba based wax for the ultimate depth & shine... as long as you keep up with it you can maintain a rich deep wet looking shine, but if you happen to neglect it for a month or 2 you'll still have the protection of the synthetic...
 
Yes, turbocad hit it on the nail. Synthetic sealants should last anywhere between 2~6 months (depending on your use/weather/vehicle) and carnuaba wax between 2-4 weeks. To add, you should give proper curing time in between layers (coats) of sealants & wax, usually 8~24 hours depending on the product.

Just one thing that stood out to me in your detailing adventure, was your "heavy coating" of wax. Almost all types of wax/sealants that I've used (and I have used many) never benefit from using a heavy coat. It can cause some spots to look "darker" than other areas, which is especially noticeable on dark colored cars. Thin, light coats always produce the best finish and wipes off easily too. With allowing the wax to haze, that depends on the product. Some products finish better when working by sections (no dry haze time allowed) while others work better when you allow the product to dry/haze and then wipe off.

If you want some product recommendations, try these.

Optimum No Rinse (ONR) - it's a concentrated solution that can be mixed with water at different ratios to be used as car wash soap, clay bar lubricant, and quick detailer. Very versatile product and economical when you consider the amount of money you have to spend on QD and lubricants.

Sealants - One of my favorites is Chemical Guys M-Seal. A small 16 oz bottle allows me to apply on 20+ cars (remember the thin coats) and it produces great shine. I've also used UPGP (Ultima Paint Guard Plus) and this thing bonds very well to the paint and also gives great shine/protection. Easy to layer also.

Wax - P21S 100% carnuaba works very well, even for light colored paint. A bit expensive, but I like the deep, wet gloss it gives. I personally use it on my own white FX, as well as my customers going on shows. For dark colored cars, Pinnacle Souveran Paste wax seems to work very well also.

I'll do a post using some of these products soon. (Yes, I am slacking, BigA :laugh:)
I have the pictures of a recent one I did in my camera, but the whole resizing, uploading, etc. etc...

Good luck and Happy Detailing!
 
Great info Ivory - thanks for the tips & suggestions.

I guess I plan to finish out the products I have now, then move on to another recommended option. I'll just keep trying stuff out until I find one I like more than the others - price, difficulty of application and end result.

I hear you on the thick wax coat - it was easier to wipe off at first, but by the time I got to the last panels, it was tough to remove. This was the carnuba wax, which I finished. So now I'm in the market for a new finishing wax. The protection means more to me than the shine does. The car always looks good to me, as long as it's clean.

When the pro guy came over I noticed he did go pretty light with the wax, which is now something I'll pay more attention to. I can understand going lighter if you are waxing after every wash - I was thinking this layer would need to last for six months. But it's gone now, replaced with the synthetic stuff the detailer used. This weekend I plan on doing a protective carnuba layer before a photo session.
 
pinnacle Souveran Paste wax is some awesome stuff, mainly because all carnuba based wax is really somewhat yellow, & the more you build up the more this can hurt the clarity of the paint & the tone a bit, almost like a yellow tint if enough coats are built up, but this stuff is processed even further to make the wax white instead of yellow... it only matters on certain colors though, but on heavily pearl based paints it does add a bit of brilliance & clarity, very expensive & overkill for most really, but I think it's really the ultimate carnuba wax...
 
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