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Interest list for custom 2nd gen camber arms
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Justins311
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Unless we get a flood of people soon, this won't happen. 6 people is not enough to justify a new product :/. We may be able to get 6 made custom but they will be more expensive. The 6 who signed up can let me know if they are interested in that... Or get tt heir friends to sign up ! 
problem is there are lots of people interested, but probably most are concerned with final price, product lasting, etc. I'm interested but not ready to purchase without knowing all the important details like PRICE!, getting a review from a member, etc. You leaving it at that much $$ and saying it *could* be much higher and expect a lot of people to sign up.......really? I know many more active members that I'm sure have seen this and would sign up in a minute because they have been wanting this too but for the same reason I'm sure they are not putting their names down.
You would be much better off creating a product using a local for R&D and giving them a free/deep discount. Once you post the product here with the review from the member of your product and offer a good price as a group buy, you'r gonna get a list of 30 members or more easy imo. And years and years and years of people buying the product. I'm just saying. Sometimes it takes a bit more risk to win the riches....I don't know anyone who made money or wealth without any risk, although in this case I think the risk is the most minimal out there than any other thing. maybe you are just approaching it as a one time purchase deal and that's it, but you are gonna get endless purchases for the next 10+ years form the design you do and us advertising telling other new members that we get that your product works. There are a ton of people that want this on multiple forums and nobody makes these (well may one company for thousands of dollars from another country that nobody has contacts with). You saying 6 people won't cut it seems like you won't step out of the box when it has to do with business and your risk has to be basically 0. Gotta look outside the box man or it's a no win for everyone. You have a big opportunity here...I I mean probably the biggest thus far from any vendor we've had...just too bad you don't see it. Just start searching all over our forum from 2nd gens on camber issues, spring issues, wanting camber kits, etc instead of just trying to make a business decision on just this one thread.
You would be much better off creating a product using a local for R&D and giving them a free/deep discount. Once you post the product here with the review from the member of your product and offer a good price as a group buy, you'r gonna get a list of 30 members or more easy imo. And years and years and years of people buying the product. I'm just saying. Sometimes it takes a bit more risk to win the riches....I don't know anyone who made money or wealth without any risk, although in this case I think the risk is the most minimal out there than any other thing. maybe you are just approaching it as a one time purchase deal and that's it, but you are gonna get endless purchases for the next 10+ years form the design you do and us advertising telling other new members that we get that your product works. There are a ton of people that want this on multiple forums and nobody makes these (well may one company for thousands of dollars from another country that nobody has contacts with). You saying 6 people won't cut it seems like you won't step out of the box when it has to do with business and your risk has to be basically 0. Gotta look outside the box man or it's a no win for everyone. You have a big opportunity here...I I mean probably the biggest thus far from any vendor we've had...just too bad you don't see it. Just start searching all over our forum from 2nd gens on camber issues, spring issues, wanting camber kits, etc instead of just trying to make a business decision on just this one thread.
Justins311
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I'm sorry but that is BS. Nobody here is required to buy them. This is interest level. There are 6 people interested.
The price depends 100% on the number of people.
If you have 100 people who will buy it I will give you a price.
If you ave 10000 people it's only $200. 6 people? It's custom.
Is that what you want ? Cause six people is not cutting it. Hasn't this board had a group buy before?
And you must be joking on quality concerns. This is not ACNE Racing. This is fortune auto. Google it.
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Oh, and just for the record, I get a set either way. You can all come and poke it if you want, but by then the motivation for a group buy is gOne. I'll be dropped either way. I was just trying to help you guys get something I thought you wanted. I do not need to prove myself to you to do that...waste of my time.
I'm seeing why nobody has made these yet....
The price depends 100% on the number of people.
If you have 100 people who will buy it I will give you a price.
If you ave 10000 people it's only $200. 6 people? It's custom.
Is that what you want ? Cause six people is not cutting it. Hasn't this board had a group buy before?
And you must be joking on quality concerns. This is not ACNE Racing. This is fortune auto. Google it.
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Oh, and just for the record, I get a set either way. You can all come and poke it if you want, but by then the motivation for a group buy is gOne. I'll be dropped either way. I was just trying to help you guys get something I thought you wanted. I do not need to prove myself to you to do that...waste of my time.
I'm seeing why nobody has made these yet....
There are many more people interested....they are just not putting themselves on the list. My reason was because "rough price" and possibly much more. I'm guessing that could be the same reason.
Maybe this needs to be re-threaded to be people interested in a 2nd gen camber kit for the right group buy price? Would it also make a difference between FX35 versus FX50 or FX50S?
Maybe this needs to be re-threaded to be people interested in a 2nd gen camber kit for the right group buy price? Would it also make a difference between FX35 versus FX50 or FX50S?
I agree with Jonas, most people are not putting themselves on the list due to the price. The people who are though are just looking for camber arms only and not the coils. I'm Down to get this all started but just need more people to jump on this list.
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You should read through this thread, because what you've written above is very different from the previous info posted here. Particularly the pricing info...
I suggest deleting this thread and posting a new thread to gauge interest levels, and assume the price is $100. That will get Justin his INTEREST figure, and he can then set about trying to make them at a price point that will sell.
The guys are right though, Justin. Lots of people want to lower their second gen FXs (look at the first gen scene. Its probably the single most popular mod across the board) but awful camber is preventing 90% of them from doing it.
If you build it, they will come.
SfmDRuT2
Justins311
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Ok...so a set of G37 arms is $600. There are about 50 dropped g37s for every fx35.
Set the price at $100 to gauge interest? And hope 20,000 people sign up?!? Lol
I appreciate the business advice guys. This isn't my company so you're wasting it on me. I work for a race shop, I don't manufacture arms.
Ive ran 3 other group buys for MR2 guys. I've sold well over $70,000 in suspension in the last year, I really don't need advice on how to do market research. If it was as easy as you guys think you'd have 3 mfgs to pick from by now.
Why do you think nobody has made them? When 6 people say they're interested that should be an indication.
There is no need to start another thread. I can tell you right now they will be well over $500 if we can't even get 20 people to sign up.
Furthermore I'm not here to sell arms. They are a means to an end, coilover sales. If you all just want arms, expect to either pay for custom work or continue on without arms like its been since 2009.
Come on guys, you all can't seriously believe "nobody sees the potential" when only 11 people have even replied to this Thread in 3 weeks lol.
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If you look back I posted a price range for coilovers WITH arms. That is very realistic but depends on if 10 people want shocks or 50 people want them. I think the disconnect is that you all want to buy just arms - were not here to do that, and I think the title, while well intended, was misleading.
But any body reading this thread obviously knows the deal now; if there is really that much demand it will appear in this thread. 500 views and 11 or so replies just isn't what this company needs to move forward. I hope that changes quickly but either way I will update this Thread with my custom arm progress and show you guys it can be done.
You stated that you will get arms regardless of interest.. If that's the case, the shop will know exactly what the costs are and THEN you can post up a group buy inquiry. I understand that you may not need any business advice from any of us, but it doesn't make sense for a shop to make you a set, know the costs to manufacture and then not even see if they can make money on the product by selling it to others..
FWIW, you may have had some success with sales and I commend you for it, but to say you don't need advice from any of us, many who are very successful, does not show good business or common sense.
TapaTalkin'
FWIW, you may have had some success with sales and I commend you for it, but to say you don't need advice from any of us, many who are very successful, does not show good business or common sense.
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I didn't realize the pricing posted before was for coils+arms.
You may not need/want market research advice, but you know what you do need? Sales advice. Which is ironic because you appear to be an online salesman. You may not mean to but you come off like a pompous dick in this thread, FYI. I tried to be nice about it the first time and explain to you the interest level I've seen in this forum for these parts, which is far greater than the response to this thread. Maybe its the sky high price tag for a different part than the thread title references, maybe it's the fact that the shop that employs you isn't well known enough to inspire the confidence of a new group of customers, or maybe its your attitude. Apparently, you're the expert, so you tell me.
Eibach's market research already told them that spring development for the second gen FX was worthwhile, which would imply a desire to lower these cars...unless they just make shit up off the tops of their heads based on zero research or knowledge of the situation... KIDO made coils for the first gen FX a full 9 years after its release. The second gen isnt even outside warranty yet. You don't think interest will rise more as the resale prices continue to fall?
New suggestion. Delete this thread and find someone who manufactures control arms.
SfmDRuT2
You may not need/want market research advice, but you know what you do need? Sales advice. Which is ironic because you appear to be an online salesman. You may not mean to but you come off like a pompous dick in this thread, FYI. I tried to be nice about it the first time and explain to you the interest level I've seen in this forum for these parts, which is far greater than the response to this thread. Maybe its the sky high price tag for a different part than the thread title references, maybe it's the fact that the shop that employs you isn't well known enough to inspire the confidence of a new group of customers, or maybe its your attitude. Apparently, you're the expert, so you tell me.
Eibach's market research already told them that spring development for the second gen FX was worthwhile, which would imply a desire to lower these cars...unless they just make shit up off the tops of their heads based on zero research or knowledge of the situation... KIDO made coils for the first gen FX a full 9 years after its release. The second gen isnt even outside warranty yet. You don't think interest will rise more as the resale prices continue to fall?
New suggestion. Delete this thread and find someone who manufactures control arms.
SfmDRuT2
In the end if this doesn't work out, I've been working with SPC along with Lerry since the beginning of this year to get these arms made. Measurements have been sent and they are working on it. The chief engineer at SPC is serious about getting these done but the time frame is unknown, but we at least know something is in progress.
Justins311
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You honestly beleive the cost to prototype has relevance on the cost to manufacture in scale? You don't think the quantity of an item impacts it's cost?
Stating that a company took measurements a YEAR ago and is VERY serious but still hasn't even PROTOTYPED really makes sense to some of you?!?
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So you're saying you didn't read what I wrote, but you're going to give ME advice? I posted a price range followed up with ONE picture of arms and SEVEN pictures of coilovers and you therefore assumed I was going to have a price point of $1,900 for ARMS? Maybe if I put an infiniti logo on them
How about this: try reading before you spout off. I would wager I'm not the only one who looks like a "pompous dick" when people read what you just wrote. And FYI, appearances can be decieving. I am a Mechanical Engineer who works with Commercial VRF Equipment. I just happen to drive an infiniti, and have an investment in a race shop which allows me to bring cool new products that nobody can get to small groups of enthusiests who share a car in common with me. I'm not an "online salesman", if I was I would probably be spouting more BS like you are :idea:
Considering how many threads I've read during my research that said "So I installed my Eibachs and my camber went to negative X, I drove them for 3 weeks and my tires started wearing, so I took them off"...I would lead towards "zero research" personally. At least I researched before I got out the welder?
Who makes a product that ruins a car? Eibach! Who tries to defend them and screams "I want a specialty low demand product at a $100 walmart price, to put on my $60,000 vehicle"? tchuck!
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So you're saying you didn't read what I wrote, but you're going to give ME advice? I posted a price range followed up with ONE picture of arms and SEVEN pictures of coilovers and you therefore assumed I was going to have a price point of $1,900 for ARMS? Maybe if I put an infiniti logo on them
And FYI, appearances can be decieving. I am a Mechanical Engineer who works with Commercial VRF Equipment. I just happen to drive an infiniti, and have an investment in a race shop which allows me to bring cool new products that nobody can get to small groups of enthusiests who share a car in common with me. I'm not an "online salesman", if I was I would probably be spouting more BS like you are :idea:
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. You sound like a dick and the info you provided is confusing (which is why you've had to clarify so many times), both of which are contributing to the failure of this thread. Your background doesn't matter, because in this instance you are a salesman. Its ok if I come across like a pompous dick, because I'M NOT SELLING ANYTHING.
This forum has had many successful group buys, with coilovers even. The interest in lowering these cars is high enough for companies much larger and more successful than the one you work for, to create products, yet you cant even get a valid interest level here. But but, you did $70k in suspension sales last year! Right. You're still nothing compared to Eibach.
I'll ask again, what do YOU think is the problem?
What did you weld after you finished reading all the threads about the single user here who has removed the Eibach springs due to camber? Oh, nothing? Cool story bro.
I don't want your product, genius. I was trying to help you. Observe:
You posted information in a thread for a product in reasonably high demand, but are getting poor response. Some members have given you constructive criticism as to the possible reasons for the poor reaponse. The reasons are:
1) General lack of clarity and too much info pertaining to different products. (Your customers want camber arms. Give them info on camber arms.)
2) Pricing too high to gauge interest level. (As you said, you don't have accurate pricing yet, and no one is bound to this list, so if lowering the price will more accurately gauge interest, do it. Personally, I'd remove the fake pricing altogether...but what do I know, I'm just a business owner who did over $1M last year. YOU are the one who sold $70k last year in some other company's parts.
)3) Lack of brand recognition and trust. (I see that you think your little shop is the biggest thing to hit the MR2 scene since the ugly stick hit it at the factory, but none of us have heard of you. Instead of the most arrogant possible response in history, "Google it", perhaps you could post some info to inspire confidence. Oh right, I forgot about the suspension sales...
)4) Poor attitude on the part of the poster (you). (Apologize and attempt to fix the problem. Don't get all butt hurt about receiving free advice from people far more successful than you. Don't post the eye roll emoticon and "lol" at your customer base. That is not what makes a successful business.)
I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. You can take this info however you like, I'm just trying to help my friends get some camber arms.
SfmDRuT2
Yes it does. You did say you're a mechanical engineer right?
Let me explain this again.. The shop will make you a set regardless of the interest level in this thread correct? Upon completion, they will have a greater understanding as to its cost to manufacture.. You can they say the arms will cost X for 20 and Y for 30 orders..I don't see why the shop wouldn't test out the market after making you're special set.
Justins311
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Well, those of you who wanted arms can go to tchuck, and if you don't get them, consider not letting him ruin your next chance. In the meantime ill be lowered and happy.
Again, I wasn't here to sell anything. I guess some of you just can't understand that. Perhaps IS fx35 owners have some sense of entitlement other groups don't have. Guess thats why they all have solutions. Go bite somebody else's hand wen they try to help you.
See ya!
Again, I wasn't here to sell anything. I guess some of you just can't understand that. Perhaps IS fx35 owners have some sense of entitlement other groups don't have. Guess thats why they all have solutions. Go bite somebody else's hand wen they try to help you.
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Right. I'm sure if Fortune makes you a set they'll participate in your schoolyard grudge against me and NOT sell them. That's probably how they got to be so successful.
Get over yourself.
SfmDRuT2
Get over yourself.
SfmDRuT2
Well, those of you who wanted arms can go to tchuck, and if you don't get them, consider not letting him ruin your next chance. In the meantime ill be lowered and happy.
Again, I wasn't here to sell anything. I guess some of you just can't understand that. Perhaps IS fx35 owners have some sense of entitlement other groups don't have. Guess thats why they all have solutions. Go bite somebody else's hand wen they try to help you.
See ya!
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Justins311 is taking his ball and going home. If a few criticisms and questions leads to his response and attitude, I can only imagine his response if we had issues with the camber arms he was proposing. It's not very wise to comport yourself in a car forum the way you did Justin, especially if you represent or are tied to a car performance shop in any way. Then again, you didn't want any advice..
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